Friday 30 December 2011

Return sensing


A commenter on this blog has helpfully noted that he has found a way to avoid cycling, by setting the controls to "return regulation". He has a 392 controller rather than a VRC430:
"The 392 is also missing a "minimum flow temp" setting which makes masking the short/micro cycling all the more difficult. The only way I found was to set d.17 to return regulation which has the effect of increasing the minimum flow temperature and stopping the micro cycling."
In our hands, this change - on its own at least, and in the context of a VRC430f - does not help our systems, but perhaps it will help others.

To explain, the default state of the boiler is flow sensing, which is to say that the boiler (and the controls) monitor the temperature of the water leaving the boiler (the 'flow'), and uses this as the basis for controlling the boiler. This can be changed so that instead the temperature of the returning water (the 'return', unsurprisingly) is used. The change can be made by altering parameter d.17 on the boiler from its default state of zero to one.

This change was made on Vaillant's first visit to the other author of this blog, who has a 428 boiler, in June 2011. The Vaillant employee (Mick Shorter, who is the relevant product manager - presumably for the weather compensation controls) did not explain why he thought that might improve things. Anyway, he changed d.17 from 0 (flow sensing) to 1 (return sensing) and left it that way. Subsequent charts showed no difference.

I also tried this change on my boiler (a 438), with the help of my installer. The result is shown in this graph, where the behaviour both before and after the change is short firing (ignore the >70C peak, which is hot water demand) (pdf of graph here):



I left it on return sensing for about three days, and the behaviour stayed the same. I did not observe micro firing in this period, but that is not to say that micro firing was abolished, since it is not always observed.

However, the effect on short firing - as shown in the graph - was decidedly detrimental. Instead of the boiler staying ignited for maybe 20min at a time, it only stayed on for about 3-5min before going into anti-cycling mode. I therefore reverted to flow sensing.

Another poster on diynot.com also found that return sensing did not help: "I'd be seriously miffed if there was a magic fix. I had hopes for d17 but experiments showed it to be unhelpful."

However, the graph described above was before I knew how to rid myself of short firing by using the Pump Delay Time setting (see page entitled "What works and what doesn't"). I shall therefore repeat the d.17 experiment when the opportunity presents itself.

Tuesday 6 December 2011

Introduction to the blog

This is the beginning of a blog devoted to a problem experienced by some owners of Vaillant 400-series boilers in the UK, whereby the boiler cycles on and off rapidly and repeatedly under certain circumstances when used with weather compensation controls.

Please explore the pages on the tabs above entitled "The problem" etc for more details, and to see what we know already and what we don't. We're particularly keen to make contact with others who are experiencing the problem, and for them to add details of their systems to the area accessible through the page called "Info from owners with the problem".